John grew up in December 1167. He was at most 21 and possibly younger than that in case his daughter Joanna came into this world. She may well was the fresh new oldest of all of the pupils the guy fathered because of the their certain mistresses.
1187 June - John when you look at the France when Chateauroux had been besieged 1187 June 23 - truce 1188 The month of january. 30 - Henry efficiency to help you England, possibly having John from inside the tow 1188 June - Henry sends John back again to Normandy, crosses off 1189 Summer several - John within Ce People's when disarmed because of the Henry's purchase, then John escaped otherwise is led away getting shelter 1189 July six - Henry I dies in the France 1189 Aug. 12 - Richard provides John back once again to England with your 1189 Aug. 30 - John married to help you Isabelle away from Gloucester within Marlebridge 1189 September. step three - Richard crowned in the Westminster Abbey 1189 Oct. - Richard sends John on Wales to subdue the new edgy Welsh 1190 Feb. - John summoned to Normandy and forced on the oath not to ever put feet towards England for three decades 1190 June - Richard continues on campaign [John vacations their oath] For our aim, it’s believed that initial months, therefore the most most likely going back to Joanna to own already been created, is the 1187-9 months. 1187 - John spends nearly the season for the France 1188 - John possess gone back to The united kingdomt inside January, but by june is sent back again to France, in which he seemingly have stayed 1189 - John seems to be in the France January - August, coming back so you can The united kingdomt when you look at the August in preparation for his matrimony into the 31 Aug. In the event that John made no more unrecorded productivity so you can The united kingdomt, it would appear that he invested throughout the 80% of their big date away from January 1187 up until their marriage, in France . He had been at some point because of the County out-of Mortain, inside the Normandy (prior to Richard's coronation).
These pointers, given the months and proven fact that Joanna is actually lead to England off France when you look at the 1203 to own their relationships in order to Llywelyn, gives credence towards the indisputable fact that Joanna and her mom have been regarding French/Norman source.
Offered including John's better-identified philandering during this time, around appears to be of a lot people for the role from mommy regarding Joanna!
Immediately following a special enough time search but not, I’m able to discover no trace regarding good Clemence de- Dauntsey in the new details
My personal earlier in the day post gave all the information one to Paget revealed that it try Clemence de Dauntsey, just who partnered Nicholas de Verdun. I thought that this is new Nicholas and Clementia so you’re able to exactly who Henry 111 granted the child custody away from Susanna (since the a beneficial hostage) inside the 1228. I did pick but not, the new view of 1 genealogist whom certainly said it as…’ I think we (the newest genealogists) have established there was no such as for instance people because Clemence de- Dauntsey. You to definitely identity of spouse regarding Nicholas de- Verdun are a good error of the Paget!’
Clemence ce Boteler was born from the 1175 into the Steeple Lavington, Wiltshire
I’m ready to believe that completion, because then analysis of your records of your own next Clemence proved alot more fruitful.
Clemence ce Boteler partnered Nicholas de Verdun for the 1202 (their second wife just after his relationship to Joan Fitz Piers. Note, which wedding is not proven) from the Alton, Staffordshire and additionally they got one young child, Rohese de- Verdun who had been produced during the 1203 or 1205 (passed away. Feb 1247).
When the kissbrides.com serious hyperlink, in fact, Joanna is actually the result of an excellent liaison anywhere between John and you will Clemence ce Boteler (who does was in fact aged up to fourteen-15 during the time), it would were quite difficult on Le Boteler household members to find an appropriate spouse for Clemence. Actually specific ten years pass before a beneficial ily?) that have a trusting English nobleman and you may possessions holder, Nicholas de- Verdun. Leaving out for the moment the chance that Nicholas had dropped in love with brand new twenty seven year old Clemence and planned to marry their own, it would was basically essential for John to add Clemence which have specific possessions out-of her own to make sure that she became an even more glamorous honor getting their unique future husband.